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My end of the month summery:

1. The last month God has been speaking to me about the importance of being an overcomer“.

Several times this month He has brought up the scriptures on it several times from many sources, through my daily study of the word as well as message I heard though out the month. He has been hammering “being an overcomer” I do not know the why, only the take note and learn what He means by being an overcomer and that it is key, important for me.

2. God has also been speaking to me all month about being a man who walks with God

“Enoch walked with God. Noah walked with God” This was the main theme of the month, learning what it means to be a man who walks with God as did Enoch and Noah. This has been at the core of my prayer the last month. To become a man who walks with God, what ever that means, what God wants it to be for me.

Bottom line, Be a man who walks with God as His friend in the same faith that Abraham had.

3. God reformatted my prayer life, gave me a new format to use as to how and what to pray. And it has revolutionized my prayer life the last two weeks. Thus effecting both my walk with God and my attitude in life.  It started by listening to Pastor Perry Noble podcast and a teaching on prayer, it was very challenge, caused me to change my prayer life that week. The Revelation from the Spirit about my prayer life and the need for change was continued, emphazised when I was introduce to Pastor Niles McPherson and started listening to his podcast and listened to his teaching on prayer also. Through those two teachings the Lord caused me to change my prayer life complete, it is on a whole new path now, and that has had a dramatic effect on my attitude and spiritual life, put me on a new course.

4. That I’m still trying to find my place in this world. And I thinking Shouldn’t I know by now what I want to be when I grow up? But it’s bigger than simply what I want to do in the future, It’s also about the right now, today, tomorrow, next week as well as ten years from now. I want to be relevant to God, to impact the world everywhere I intersect with it and maybe even transform it. But I have no clue, not even an inclination of what my place is in life, the world, the church, what my career is to be, or even reason for being here on this planet.

On a lighter note, I started Twittering two weeks ago, and it has been fun and has changed my world in some ways. No really! (I am still trying to get the hang of it) I am linked up with some awsome people and have enjoyed getting into their life and mind, and sharing some of mine with them.

I recently read about a book called Purple Cow by Seth Godin. The book revolves around this metaphor: if you’ve seen one brown cow you’ve seen them all. But a purple cow, now that would catch your attention. One statement in the book has profound implications: “If you aren’t remarkable you’re invisible.”

While this truth could be applied to a persons life in so many ways, it also applies to churches in every way. Every church needs to paint itself purple. I’m not talking about gimmicks or being weird or braking from the truths of God and what church is suppose to be, like the ones that are leaving out the gospel and Jesus like the emergent movement has done. I’m not talking about braking from the biblical church the one we see in scripture.

Brown churches sit on the sideline and invite the community to come to them. Do every thing they can to look like, sound like, be like the world around them. Purple churches are always going, compelling, and are an agent of transformation in the world. They seek to not look anything like the world, but to look like Jesus and the Kingdom of God. To stand out as something different, be an alternative to the world and its ways. And they are making such a big difference that they become a highly visible part of their community, everyone takes notice in a good way.  People drive by the brown churches, the churches that are invisible on their way to go to the purple church the ones that stand out from the world and its ways.

Purple churches are not a mirror of the world, but rather a window into the Kingdom of God. A refection of Jesus high and lifted up in a community of Christ like followers who live in community that is a glimpse of the Kingdom of God. When a church looks like Jesus, it stands out from the rest of the churches and the world because it is a purple cow in a brown herd.

A brown church look like the world, it’s a church that looks just like the society that surrounds it, it blends in with the same music, teachings, way of life, so no one notices the brown cow in a heard of brown cows.

After all isn’t the purpose of camouflaging something to make it fit in, go unnoticed, so that it will not stand out as different from the world around it. Well pastors have done a good job, they have made the church look, sound and function just like the world, made them brown cows, and well it worked no one notices them, sees church as different from the world.

So how do we paint ourselves purple? For starters, dare to be different from the world and look like Jesus and the Kingdom of God, make the good news, the Gospel the news.

Purple churches are where people can go to see God, get a glimpse of the Kingdom of God, see the transforming effect of the gospel in the lives of real people, changed lives. See that God is alive and His power at work in the lives of people, see it demonstrated in the lives of God’s people. See a people of faith living in oneness with God. See Gods love in action, in the love God’s people have for Him, and each other. It’s a church of a different color, it stand out from the rest of the churches today, and from the world around it.

What color is your church.

A note for church planter, I read a post that got me thinking about the definition of Church, as it should be key for church planting, so I am doing my own rendition the other post, of what the word church means, my own tweak, lets start he did with how that Miriam-Webster defines Church:

1: a building for public and especially Christian worship

The number one usage Webster is listing is simply defining church according to how the word church is used by people, defined, by churches themselves. Just ask the typical Christian to define church and you will here things like, A building, A place you go to on Sunday, and institution you belong to, something you attend. And ask the people what part do they have in church and they will tell you, attend. And sadly the leader put more importance on, money, time, planing, care and into the buildings than the do the people, really giving even more credence to the fact the definition is right, the church is a building.

But, when Jesus used the term “church” He had a very different meaning in mind. The word in the Greek text is ???????? (ekklesia) a word that is defined as “those called out” or “a called out assembly of people”, this is the original definition of the word used in the Greek text, quite different from Websters. But even more different is Jesus’ usage of the word though implied something much more, He described “church” as those people walking in allegiance to him, living a certain way, people who were following Him, living with a Kingdom purpose. A people that would ultimately be known by their love for one another, as His followers called out for a purpose, His purpose. Not as a building, nor was it in His definition of church that it is something that you simply only attended, especially not a country club you come to be entertained at.

Although Jesus did not really say much about how it was to be organized or how to do meetings. But rather His focus was on a lifestyle of loving others and obeying Him: saying things like “Go into all the world…” ” Heal others…. “Let your light shine…” “Wash the feet of others…. “Do what you see the Father doing…” “Love one another…” “Make disciples….”My house shall be a house of prayer… “Preach the Gospel… Church, as defined by Jesus, was simply His followers living life for and with Him. “For I have given you an example, that you also should do just as I have done to you.” John 13:15 The things that obvesly were core to what church was about, what matted most to Him.

I believe this is why the Apostle Paul chose not to use the word “synagogue” a word he was most familiar with, and had used his whole life. Synagogue was the word used by Jews at the time to define where they gathered for study and worship outside of the Temple. But the word by definition referred to a building used for an assembling together. Synagogue (1) always was used to refer to the place, building where they gather together, not the people themselves or even what went on inside because the building was used for so many other things. So I can see very well why Paul used a different word, because church to Jesus, to the disciples and Paul was never to be a building or a place, it was a people so he used a new name for it, based on the what the real definition of church was according to Jesus. A called out people with a purpose, to follow the Life of Jesus on God’s mission.

But today only a minuscule number of churches embrace Jesus’ definition of Church, with the these things I list above as the core of what they are about, why they exist. This I do not get it, one can simply read the scriptures as to how both Jesus and the Apostle Paul define church, pick up a Greek dictionary and lookup the word ekklesia and read the definition, and find Church is not a building or an institute or even a set place or time. Because the place and time are fluid, it can be anyplace and any time two or more gather together, and it does not require a building or paid staff or set of programs to happen ether.  We must read everything Jesus said and did, read the description of the first church gatherings and read what they where doing. Read all of Paul’s instructions to the church and body telling us what it is all about. And get our definition from Jesus, the scriptures Not Websters or even the American Christian church for that matter.

So how did we ended up with this thing we have and are trying to pass off as church? Why can’t church planters simply pick up the owners manual, the blueprint of what church is, that is the Bible and do, plant what it says church is.

1. Dictionary of Judaism in the Biblical Period, Macmillan

My post inspired by a post in the simplechurchjournal titled: Defining Church Websters has it wrong.

There is a church that I have been listening to their podcasts for a few weeks now called City of Grace in Mesa AZ. And I have been enjoying their recent teaching series, the pastor has been doing a very a good teaching with some great insight as to how to live out the word of God as related to the series. But for the last two weeks he has talked about a new project of the church, they are seeking to buy a house next to the church that is occupied by a dental office. This house apparently blocks the church building from being seen well from the main road. And for some reason this house is seen as an obstacle to the churches growth, they seam to believe if the house was not there they would be seen better by passers by and therefore the church would grow in number of members. The price tag to buy the house, $800,000, so they have spent the last two weeks hitting up their people with a campaign to raise the needed $800,000 to by this house plus the cost to tear it down.

Wow! I cannot express how disappointed I am in them doing this, with so many people starving to death not just else where the world but in their own city, so many in need of medical service that they can not afford to get, orphans, widows, single moms in need, children that have only one set of cloths to their name. I can not understand that they would want spend that much money on something as trivial as a house that block the view of their building from the road. As if that will really bring people to the church just because they can see the church building better from the road.

They are calling it a miracle offering to raise the needed money, I say it would be no miracle by God nor would it bring glory to God to raise money for that purpose, but to raise that much money to do something like pay the overdue rents of some struggling single mothers, pay some widows light bills that are about to be shut off. Or build a childcare center to provide free childcare for struggling single moms. Use the money to feed and clothed ten thousand children in the city. Pay the for medical needs for someone who can not afford it, like children in a poor family. That would be a miracle to those people, that would bring glory to God! And I guarantee you that more people would see the church and come to it after doing things like those I just listed than they would if that church spends nearly a million dollars to remove that house they claim keeps people from seeing them and coming to the church. I bet that people would flock to the church, to come to hear bout the God that cares about those in need and a church that cares more about people than buildings.

Jesus said said “lift Me up and I will draw men unto me“, that is the way to grow a church,  doing what Jesus said to do to build the church, Going and proclaiming the gospel will grow a church, not moving a house.

And I do read God saying “ Bring all the tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house.” The purpose of the tithe and offerings to God was that nobody would be without food, that the needy would be taken care of and when you match this with what Jesus says in Mat 25:31-46 you see very clear what God expects His people to do with their resources, and buy a building to tear down is not it.

I say it is not that house that is blocking the peoples view of the church, from coming to the church but rather it is the church that is blocking the peoples view of Jesus.

I would encourage them to look at what Pastor Francis Chan did with his church Cornerstone Community Church, you can read my blog on him and what he did here>>>.

Or about pastor Jared Wilson after hearing the story of Cornerstone followed suit with his church Element in Nashville, read my blog about him here>>>

I pray that Pastor Terry at City of Grace church will follow Pator Chan and Wilson and do the right thing and not buy that house and use the money to give to God and His glory the way He said to.

A church planter should answer this question of themselves, why they go to church, the reason as a Christian. The answer as to why will determine what they invasion the church they plant is to be like for the members, what they will experience at the church gathering.

Why I go to church, I gather with other follower of Christ in order to:

Worship: Engage in worship, real passionate worship and praise of God, this includes words and actions. Worship that is a heartfelt intimate expression of love, devotion and passion for God with the body of Christ. To be in the company of like minded others who have come to worship God with passionate hearts, a body that when it worship’s it expects to encounter God, to enter into God’s presents, and to be changed as a result of the encounter, and will except nothing less. Worship that includes the freedom to rise my hands, my arms, dancing, shouts of joy, lay prostate, stand, sit how ever my spirit desires to express my love to God. I go for worship that is lead by a true worshiper of God who’s sole and only goal is to enter into the presents of God and love on Him.  Someone who is there to express to God their love for Him, they sing songs straight from their heart, write new songs on the spot, cry out praises from a heart that passionately loves God, not memorized words. And they are about leading everyone to do the same thing. (The best worship gatherings I have ever been part of, some there where no bands some there was, but the best ones where the ones that had a passionate lover of God who took, lead the rest of us to the very presents of God and allowed us to sing, shout out our love and praises to God). I seek no less than a hour in worship of God. (Psa 22:2, 35:18, 40:3, 29:2, 95:6, 9:2, 21:13, 149:3, 150:4)

Prayer: Like worship in prayer I expect to encounter God, and to be changed as well as the whole church to be changed as a result of the encounter. One of the characteristics the Lord specifically says will mark His church – His house – is prayer. “My house will be called a house of prayer for all Nations.” Therefore this is a must for it to be a church according to Jesus. The heart of a church gathering is to talk with God, seeking His presents, and direction for the church, and His people. I seek a church that prays without ceasing, as part of worship, fellowship, communion, everything. (Isaiah 56:7; Matthew 21:13, Eph 6:18, Php 4:6, Col 4:2, James 5:14-16 Jud 1:20)

Communion: Braking of the bread and partaking of the cup. When Christ said do this in remembrance of Me, He was talking about the Passover meal, the keeping of the Passover celebration meal in light of the life and death of Christ as a ongoing practice of the body of Christ. To share a meal as the body together recalling the life, death and resurrection of Christ, partaking of it whenever we gather in community in remembrance and celebration of the gospel during a meal. Therefore I desire to have a meal at the gathering of the body that includes the braking of bread with reference to the life of Christ and taking of the wine of the New Testament, all while recalling and retelling of the Gospel, what Christ has done for us and who we are in Christ. (Mat 26:26-30, Luke 22:19-20, Acts 2:42)

To Exercise myspiritual gifts: For the good of the body, and to be the recipient of the gifts of others that the body may be made compete, fully functional. Paul says when you come together as the church let each one bring something and contribute to make church happen. Paul says one of the main purpose of the church, coming together is for each person to exercise their spiritual gifts that the body/church might be complete. My primary responsibility in the body of Christ is to exercise my spiritual gifts. ( I Cor 14:26)

For Edification: That I might give encouragement, to exhort others and edify the body and might be encouraged by the others in the body. That we might mutually build up, love one another in the faith. (Acts 13:15, Heb 10:24,25, I Thess. 5:11 & 14, 2:11)

Teaching of the word: To hear verse-by-verse teaching of the word in a gospel/Christ centered way. Teaching that equips for the work of the Lord, that tells us how are we going to live together in submission to the Word.  I go not only to hear the word taught from the pulpit, but to hear a word – teaching from others in the body, as well as to share a teaching the spirit has giving me to share. (Heb 4:14, Rom 10:17, II Tim 4:2, Acts 2:42)

To Give: To help meet the needs of others. To give to God the way He said to, as Jesus instructed us to in Matt 25:31-46, buy fulfilling the needs of other, taking care of the orphan, widows, poor, and any in the body that has need face to face. (Gal. 5:13, I Tim. 6:17, 18, I Cor. 12:25, Phil. 2:4, Acts 2:42-47 )

Fellowship: To be part of a community gathered around a common Lord, common faith, and common baptism, to be in the company of like-minded followers of Christ that we might engage in the things of God and the Kingdom of God. That I might fulfill all the one another’s of the bible that God calls His people to do. To engage in true heart to heart fellowship with others, celebrate with others our God and Lord Jesus. Fellowship doesn’t mean meetings it means the shared life of the community. (Acts 2:42-47, Gal 5:13, 6:2, Ehp 4:2, 4:32, 5:21, Col 3:16, I Thes 4:14, 5:11, Heb 3:13)

I go because Church is not optional; it is essential, this is why Paul said, “do not forsake the gathering together of the saints”. Fellowship, service, love, and mission with the family of God is critical to a fruit-bearing faith and life. Just as salvation also is a community project, we rely on others to persevere in our faith, to spur us on, encourage us, admonish us, teach us, disciple us, pray for us, love us, and to exhort us. But this only can happen in real biblical church, and that is one that allows me all of the above elements. And all of this said in the context that, “church is not one activity in our lives. Church isn’t a meeting you attend or a building you enter. It’s our identity, our community, our family a way of life. It’s the context for the totality of the Christian life.”

I do not go to church; to simply Go to church, I gather with others to Be the Church. Not to be entertained by great performers, see a video show or short drama. I do not go to church to be reduced to being an attendee an observer.

We must think of everyday activities of our life through the lenses of Gospel, Community, and Mission. Seek to live in such a way to apply these three elements to every aspect of our lives.

The gospel must be and is most effectively proven by it being lived out in everyday life, its effects on us lived out. Community life cannot be simply restricted to a Sunday morning service and/or a mid-week gathering. It must extend radically beyond these events to accomplish all the “one another passages” and what we see in passages like Acts 2:42-48, just as it is true that evangelism (mission) cannot be accomplished through programs nor by only a hand full of “professional evangelist”. Our missionary methods must expand into the ordinary everyday activities of our lives if we are to follow the scriptural models we read of, and Jesus’ life example. We must purposely form our everyday lives around the gospel and Christ. We’ve must move away from the program-based way of “doing” the Christian life, and doing church, move to a more ordinary, real and organic everyday way of life.

Begin by looking at all your daily ordinary activities through a tri-fold lens of community, mission, and gospel, things like going out to dinner, grocery shopping, going to the mall, taking the kids to the park. You want to seek out how you can take these activities and infuse each of these three elements.

Lets take going out to dinner, to add the community element you invite a Christian friend, someone from your church gathering. The gospel element can be added in a natural but intentional way as you converse throughout dinner, by partaking in the breaking of bread and the cup of the new covenant. Community is achieved by the very nature of coming together and have a meal together, you intentional engage in the one another’s of Christian fellowship. The mission element is accomplished by your intent of being there with a mission purpose, to reach, take the gospel to the world around you. By engaging your servers and possible those around you with the gospel.

Lets change up the situation a little: To add the mission element to your dinning out would be to invite a non-Christian friend, neighbor or co-worker to join you and your Christian friends. The community element is added in by both having community with the Christian as well as the non-Christian friends, but also the non-Christian getting to experience first hand real Christian community happening before them between you and your Christian friends. Allowing them to see a glimpse of the Kingdom life lived out by you. The gospel element can be added in again in a natural way as you converse throughout dinner. By you and the believers partaking in the breaking of bread and taking the cup, and explaining what is happening and why, and how this effects you life and who you are. And by them hearing how God and the gospel effects and directs your daily lives. And of course the mission element is also accomplished by the fact you are proclaiming the gospel through natural conversation and community with the intent to expand the kingdom by making disciples. And you still add in the active mission element of reaching out the your servers and others around you.

See how easily this way of living where we think of everyday activities through the lenses of Gospel, Community, and Mission, can be applied to basically every activity of everyday life, everything we do. Perhaps the element of community cannot be always applied to every situation but the gospel and mission can be applied to every thing we do in life.

A question I hear a lot is, can I be bi-vocational and do church planting? And the statement I need to quit my job before I can do church panting.

And my response is do not quit your job and yes be bi-vocational, I just did blogs on the first two questions a planter must ask himself, Why he wants to plant a church and Define church before deciding to plant. One does not half to quit his day job to plant a church. In fact it really is detrimental to church planting to do that, by quitting your day job you make church planting a career for income purpose, it becomes all about making you money. Makes you disparate to make the church a income producing business, it is to easy for you to focus in on size to generate income for yourself. Not reaching the lost, by making you become focused on church transplants to obtain fast growth thus to produce a fast income. And if you do not achieve adequate income you will abandon the work to go back to work out of necessity. As a church planter I have two mission fields my job and my neighborhood.

Let me show you just how easy it is to plant a church, a biblical church that is and keep your day job, and even do so with out a penny

Take You for instants, you share the gospel with 3 coworkers the Lord is reviling Himself to, they accept God’s call and give their lives to Christ. Now every day You and those 3 join 2 other Christians at work for lunch 2, 3 sometimes even 5 times a week for one hour they gather and brake bread, share a meal, have a time of song and praise to God, study the bible, have time of prayer and fellowship. Guess what? You just planted a church, you have church every time that all of you gather together at work. All the elements are there, all the element we see in the scriptures that is. Jesus said where two or more gather in my name I am with them, so where two or more and Jesus are, church happens. You see size does not make it church, it only take 2, not 200 or 2000.

And You live a life that incarnates the gospel and the life of Christ before all, and you have been sharing the gospel and demonstrating a life lived in Christ to your neighbors for months and eight of them accept Christ and join you and two other neighbors who are Christ followers at your house every week for a time of fellowship, a meal, to study of the word, worship and prayer. In this gathering you have every element we see in Acts 2:40-47 as well as I Cor 14:26, boom a church, a house church is born. You have now planted two churches and did not have to quit your day job, see how easy it is, and I tell you that more real church happens in both of these gatherings than any meg-church.

See how simple it really is, and yes it really is that simple. You see if your definition of Church is Jesus’, Paul’s, God’s, then no big building is required, no paid professional staff is needed, no money, no set of programs, no professional entertainers, no seminary education or business plan and you don’t have to quit you day job. Only what Jesus said in Act 1:8, the Spirit of God, and to Go and proclaim the Gospel, and make disciples. And this should be the heart of every follower of Christ, every planter, a church in every neighborhood, every work place and school. To focus on community life so that they are one-on-one with a dozen others doing life together just like Jesus and His disciples, it does not get any better, real, organic, Christ like than that.

As I stated in two prior blogs here and here one of the two questions one must answer before planting a church is Define Church, what is church. Because you’re definition of church and Why you want to plant one is foundational to what you do. These two issues are so very critical, they will set in motion the chain of events that determine what is created, the answers will mold and shape what you do.

What the scripture tell us Church is to be, its purpose, what it is all about, the description we see of the first church must be our goal, blueprint for church, it is there and only there we must and should get our definition of church.

And that definition as I see reviled in scripture and seek to plant is:

Church is first and foremost people, the body of Christ. As well as Church is a way of life, not a systematize set of programs or event. You don’t begin with a structure or a church strategy; you begin with people, people in community with one another, a way of life that is lived out by the people. Church is all about Jesus Christ, about His life and death, living in oneness with Him, fellowship with Him, worship of Him and the teaching and proclaiming of His Word and His gospel to one another.

Church is about all things related to our intimate connection with God through worship spiritual formation, and prayer. Everything related to how God works His redemptive ways among people, the spirit, the word, discipleship and community. Church is a gathering together with two or more around Jesus, a gathering centered on communion, worship, His word and oneness with Jesus, and being on mission with Him on the earth.

Church is where people, the body of Christ come together for intimate life together, to encourage, edify, build up one another, equip each other for service, admonish each other and love each other.

Where we exercise our spiritual gifts for the benefit of each other, and in servant hood, serving others. To be fed the word of God, the meat of it to cause spiritual maturity and growth of the body.

Gathering together for corporate worship of God in the spirit. To have a communion meal together, the breaking of bread, which is the sharing of a meal in remembrance of Christ life and death. A time of study of the word of God, time of prayer for one another and the meeting of the needs of each other.

Church is an intentional and purposeful act of carrying out of all of these things by all, church is not spectator event, something put on by a few for the many, it is not a time or place for entertainment. It is other and service centered, you go with the intent, purposes of given, serving others, contributing your spiritual gifts for the good of the body, to share your resources with those in need, to do and give. You go to be the church, to bring a song to sing, to teach a lesson, share a word, to build up the body, to share a meal in love and fellowship with others.

Church was never meant to be for non-believers, let me repeat that Church was never intended to be for non-believers. It is not about, or for unbelievers, to be designed to be for them, it is for the body of Christ and about Jesus and the Kingdom Life. Yes unbelievers can visit it, but not to be the focus of it. What they should see if they visit one is see the body of Christ in action, experience true worship by true worshipers in love with God in Christ, not entertainment, fellowship in true love for one another, the word of God taught straight out of the bible and the meal of Christ being shared. See the heart of the Christian life on earth, church and a people in a real relationship with a real God. See the gospel incarnated in the lives of the people, see how the gospel transformed the lives of the people, see tangible prof that Christ is alive and active in the lives of the people, see want it means to be a Christ follower, see what the Kingdom life and church is all about, and it’s not a Vegas show.

Do you see how my definition of church shapes what I plant.

A few scriptures on what church is about: Act’s 2:42-47, 1Cor 14:6 & 26, Rom 12:3-16, I Cor 12:1-31, Eph 4:11-16, Eph 5:23, I Pet 5:1-5, James 5:14, Col 1:18, I Thes 5:11, Jud 1:20, 2 Tim 4:2, Tit 1:9, Heb 3:13, I Pet 5:1-4, Rev 2:1 – 3:22

I got two brochures in the mail Saturday for two new “church” plants in my area, the one said on it “high-quality music and videos……. we want you to have a great experience.” If I want great music I will go to a concert, the bar down the street, or put on a Matt Redman or Eagles CD, guarantee you they are better than any band they have. If I want a good video, I have cable, a Blockbuster up the street and the AMC 20 Megaplex to go to, and my own collection of DVD’s and I can chose what I want to see.

What was Not mention is Jesus in any way shape or form, nor was worship, fellowship of the body of Christ, not even their websites mention Jesus, a lot of talk about entertainment, a laid back atmosphere, drama, multimedia, music, awesome environment and straightforward discussions about your issues, questions on life, hum, and where is Jesus I keep asking myself, isn’t church to be centered on and all about Him.

I thought this was ironic that at the same time I am writing this week about planters asking themselves Why they want to be a church planter I get these two brochures in the mail. That so prove my points in my last two blogs. This is why it is so important that the first thing a church planter must do is first define What church is, and second is Why do they want to plant a church and compare it to what Jesus said and the blueprint laid out by Him and the disciples in scripture to see if it is a match. And I would say neater of these two “church” have the right Why to plant or What church is, because what they are doing does not match Jesus’ What and Why.

You know if I just want entertainment I’ll stick to the real pros and go to Vegas or the club down the street, the live theaters downtown, because that’s is not why I gather with others as the church, to experience high-quality music, drama and videos but to experience Jesus and community with others in Jesus.

And for those who would attempt to defend them saying they are trying to reach the “un-churched” but what are they drawing people to, an entertainment center, not real church, not Jesus. Jesus said “lift Me up and I will draw men unto Me” He said “go and proclaim the gospel and make disciples”, not draw, attract them to an enertainment center and entertain them. Anyone who goes to places like these two, will ever experience Jesus, the gospel, or church, because that is not what they are offering to them, what they are doing. Because every Sunday they will not engage in worship but “high-quality music, drama and videos’ they will not have fellowship with Jesus in community but have a “great enertainment experience.” and the list goes on what they would be missing, to sum it up, church and Jesus is what everyone going there would be missing every week